ACTIVITY CHECK DISCUSSION

[paradisamods]

Hey guys!

So there's been some confusion and disagreement about what should/should not count for activity check, what is counted where, etc. So this is a post where we'd like to discuss revamping the activity check system with you! Once we can get a clear idea of what everyone feels is fair, it will make it easier for us to have a clear system where everyone understands the activity requirements desired of each character in Paradisa.


SECTIONS:

What do you think should count for a post?
What should constitute thread "size"?
What should constitute comment "quality"?
How much should the mods be responsible for? The players?
How should a thread on a log be judged?

Comments

[dusk.livejournal.com]

I'm glad to hear that. ♥ It makes me really sad that people feel like they can't be comfortable contacting us, or that we're intimidating. It's not my intention at all :(

Hmm. Any suggestions on how to fix that? I am always, always open to listen, even if I disagree - and we wouldn't have put up the post to discuss if we didn't, well, want discussion. But I certainly don't want people to feel like they shouldn't be giving us input or feedback at any time.

Yeah, that makes sense. I think the biggest issue with log activity is that it seems .... easy to take advantage of the system of just tagging a few times into two logs and that's that. While it might be the equivalent, word-wise, to a regular journal post on the community - what about people who want to interact with that character who didn't get their log or post tagged? Even if you try to contact the person, there's no guarantee that they'll post to the CR meme, or that they'll go through with plans that you made, etc. etc. -- which is why I like it when people post open posts (logs or otherwise). But if someone flies by just by tagging only two people all month .... it's a little unfair to anyone who wanted to play with that person but wasn't "chosen", you know?

I absolutely don't have a problem with log activity, or doing logs, or anything like that (personally, anyways), but speaking from the standpoint of someone who's interested in getting new CR - if they don't tag me, then I'm pretty much screwed for that month, and have to wait until I spy them doing something where I can jump in or tag them in some other way. That's my thought on it, anyways.

[i-neverlose.livejournal.com]

I think the mindset that you state right there is implying that you are expecting people to take advantage of that.

As I pointed out in an earlier comment of mine, two of the logs that I posted up in Aug and September both had over 100 comments to them. One of them had over 200 comments to it.

Almost all the threads that were started in them were either concluded or are still in progress. I am still tagging to a log post that was made in the beginning of August with Harmony and Angel.

My opinion is that people who put up logs aren't looking for an "easy out" for AC. Granted, we can joke OOCly that it's easy to make activity by doing such - but we never skimp on that activity. The threads continue, months after the log starts. I personally don't drop tags. I will tag back until they drop the tag on me or until the scene reaches a good closing. When I make log posts I make them with the intent of developing CR not just scraping by my AC.

If you, as a mod, are sitting here going "But they will just cheat their way out of their AC" that is setting up a negative connotation with the logs comm and making it seem like there's no point in tagging to the logs at all because it won't count.

As for being screwed if no one tags you -- that happens all over the place and it happens even more when there are a plethora of posts all about the same thing. There is no perfect solution to getting a post that gets all the replies, but if you aren't trying -- and you aren't actively putting up log posts where your character is out doing things, then how can you expect other people to check the log comm as much as they check the main comm.

It's all about habits and if people want to break them or not.

ETA: blarg I think I'm reading too many comments. I see your note now about the unfair to the chosen person thing. I think most of what I said up there still applies, just not so much the negative slight against doing the logs vs doing journal entries.

Also re the whole CR meme and no one following through with plans, it's another system that will either work or not work. I personally don't use it anymore because it always felt like a LOT of people saying "YES I WANT CR" but not a lot of follow-through. I think I have gotten more CR from being on plurk and seeing people link their posts than CR memes themselves being effective.

[dusk.livejournal.com]

It's less that I'm worried people will take advantage of it, and more that I worry that people just ... won't get to interact with other people as much as they want to, if that makes sense. And it's not just the logs comm, either -- it's a problem too on the main comm. If someone posts filters to people all month long and never an open post, then there's never an opportunity for new CR/outside people.

You're right -- there is no perfect solution, and this is a problem that kind of goes above and beyond activity and more into willingness to tag around, but yeah. If I do see a person trying to pass on, say, two or three small log threads alone (and not just once, but consistently - obviously, people are busy sometimes, or just don't have much they feel like doing), then it just makes me feel like they aren't interested in having other people tag them.

And it's okay -- sorry for the slowness, poor weather does not a good satellite internet connection make.

[msattentionspan]

I totally feel you on the poor weather + a dish = AHHHHHH WHY DID MY SIGNAL DROP AGAIN??!!

Like I've expressed a few times, my own methods in the community are not everyone else's. I try to rotate my characters around so that I don't feel like I'm focusing on one more than the other consistently. Some characters post to the journal easier than others, but that doesn't mean that I'm not tagging around either.

I was concerned that my app wouldn't get approved because of my activity, to be honest. I went through everything for September that I could remember and I was upset that I hadn't been around as much. But then I also remembered that I was on a hiatus for the first part of the month.

I think that as long as the player-base is aware of their activity, aware of where they are a weaker player or where their character doesn't "fit" so to speak into the usual cookie-cutter shape of a Paradisa Journal member, they try to work around that. They post to other people more than make their own posts and they make logs to put their characters out there.

I guess, I don't see the "minimum" activity being the consistent pass for the players in the game. I go by what my own activity is, by how many threads I have going at a given time, and the fact that I do average about 50 tags a day coming in that I'm doing good. Can I do better? Sure, but we all can do that. It just will depend on real life and the situations coming up.

I think, personally, that the players that do have more active characters, that do make a lot more journal posts or have the social characters that thrive in the game - could do more ICly to help out those that aren't good at those things. Throwing a party is not always the answer though and if there were times where you signed up for a CR meme and you said we're going to have an event on THIS DATE and then get people to sign up for it, you might get more random CR in that post than you would throwing up an elevator is stuck post.

Jo has the Lux so I try to involve that in my posts to open it up to people who are hungry/thirsty. Now, Harmony, Fred, and Cordelia have Caritas. Karaoke nights could happen in the log comm -- and if these things aren't repeated constantly it might open up more people to try and find people to do things with.

IDK - I will always have ideas for open posts and things that people can do. Bowling Tournament, Mini Golf Classic, Field-Games (potato sack race where you get paired up randomly) - things that don't have to be world plots, but can still invite anyone to come play without it being a "Mingling in the party again" type thread.

[dusk.livejournal.com]

SOB yep. ;; Oh, cable internet, I miss you so.

Yeah, and that's honestly what I try to do with Ino - this past month being the exception because she was away from the castle. She's a social butterfly and she's willing to drag more antisocial characters out to do things. I realize not everyone has the time or the will to go out of the way to do stuff, but yeah, I do wish that more people were willing to sort of reach out. We are all a community, we're supposed to help each other. ;; But in the same vein it's hard to get some of these characters involved if you can never find a place to tag them and start some CR, so it's ... yeah, just a big cycle of predicament. Other than promoting the CR meme and throwing up open posts for gatherings and stuff, it's just hard to figure out how, exactly, to motivate people to do that. ;;

[neverplays]

One thing that might work, just for a trial basis, might be to partner everyone up?

Most of us know who is friends with who, so we could easily avoid the "usual" twosomes, and we could just see about making new CR with the characters that those two people have for that month.

Then! Once we are familiar with this person's characters we could recommend someone else in the game for them to get CR with. Maybe create some sort of CR phone tree of sorts?

It made more sense in my head... than when I tried to write it out.