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HOW'S MY DRIVING?

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I am extremely curious with regards to Rin's most recent entry inquiring about memory erasure. I know that she has been through some rather rough patches in the game and has seen quite a few of her close CR depart from the castle, so I'd like to know if this is related at all and where you intend to take it.

It is related, sadly! :( I was strongly considering having Rin ask some of her memories to be outright removed, and some memories be sort of blunted in her head so they weren't so emotionally fraught for her. Everything to do with Legato would fall into the latter category, since she doesn't want to forget about him entirely, as that would mean she might end up involved with him again inadvertently if he appeared at the castle again. She does want associated emotions with him blunted, because as far as she's concerned, ultimately her association with him did nothing for her. As for memories actually being removed, she won't be asking to lose memories of Abel, or anything like that - people who she'd actually want to be close to and care about if they came back to the castle again.

If you feel like it's ooc for her I'd like to talk about it, as I admit there's an ooc motivation driving this as well. I've been feeling really burned out lately and kind of dead in the game, and I'm hoping blunting the memories of some of the shitty patches and things she went through will help Rin cheer up some and get me more involved.

The close cr that was friends with her, she definitely would not be forgetting. As far as she's concerned, if they cared about her and she cares about them, even if it hurts to miss them she'll hold onto those memories.

I can understand your point of view, but it does raise a few concerns.

For someone to specifically pinpoint selective memories is in itself quite a task, but to then erase some and merely modify others does seem quite complicated. I'm not certain if we have any characters in the game with that kind of skill or who are willing to bend canon abilities in order to accomplish such a task.

Also, this does seem rather OOC of her to ask. It's strange that she would ask for only memories of Legato to be erased. If she truly wanted to forget unpleasant things, given her rather tragic canon, would she not ask for much more to be forgotten as well? Rin has proven herself to be strong in the face of a lot of tragedy in her life, both in her home world and in Paradisa. For her to suddenly want to wipe away a memory because it leaves a sour taste in her mouth does not seem like the Rin who remembers the past, whether its ugly or not, and determinedly keeps going forward.

You do mention that this is also for OOC reasons as well. That you are willing to blur IC and OOC lines is a bit worrisome. I recall that in the past you have received crit for placing Rin in stressful or emotionally draining situations, and yet rather than working toward removing her from these situations in the future, the trend seems to continue. Although you may have other reasons for doing so, wiping selective memories can come off as an attempt to avoid the consequences that come with placing Rin in the situations she has been in. It can appear as if Rin does not want to face them, and it can also come off as you as a player not wanting to follow through with your in-game decisions.

She wouldn't be erasing memories of Legato, to clarify, just asking the emotional baggage to be pushed away. She isn't leaving memories from home behind because they're important to her, as her parents are people she valued deeply and she doesn't want to push that away.

I have gotten crit for putting Rin in stressful situations! However, since then, other than babysitting Legato (which was draining and irritating for her but not dangerous or something that caused her emotional agony), I don't think she's been in any dangerous or dramatic situations? I've avoided putting her on the hot seat in any plots and will be in the future. She's moving back into the castle and back in with Galadriel, quietly. At this point I'm planning to just let her lead the quiet life. Other than taking care of Legato I don't think she's been under any huge stresses.

Moving on from that, I don't know. Rin has been in game for over for years now which is a significant chunk of time even not on the rp front. Maybe what she needs is a reset or partial reset.

I should have clarified a bit more. My apologies! I do still worry that by erasing the "emotional baggage" of her association with Legato, it seems there is avoidance of the IC consequences of pushing that CR to begin with.

Again, it still seems quite a stretch to simply remove the emotions tied to a memory and yet still keep that memory. Would she not want to remove all of the negative emotions that she felt when her mother was murdered, and yet still remember what happened to her but only feel emotions for the happier times she spent with her?

I hope you see the point I am trying to make. If it is in anyone's power to remove negative emotions and only keep positive emotions, I do not feel that this would be IC of Rin to try. She has always struck me to be the girl that takes the good and the bad, not selectively choose what she can avoid and what she has to deal with.

I bring up the previous crit you received not because Rin has been involved in any draining situations recently, but because it was your choice to associate her with Legato to begin with. I only hope that by pushing toward an IC erasure of the feelings she developed through knowing him that you are not avoiding the IC consequences that come with pushing for that CR in the first place.

Yeah, I see what you mean here in turn. She was always icly intending to wait on the whole thing anyway, as she wasn't certain about going through with the whole thing at this point anyway - she knows it's a big deal.

I see your points and otherwise I guess the best I know to do right now is just give her time back at the castle with nothing going on. I just feel like Rin is also burning out on a larger scale, with more taken into account than what went on with Legato - rather, a long history of being in a game where the people closest to her often end up leaving her behind with nothing she can do about it. If she seems more downcast now it's not just because of Legato, it's because of four years of things like that happening, which wasn't all under my control - muns drop as they will, and muns do their own thing as they will. I made some mistakes with the plots I engaged in too, I admit that.

I don't know. It's not even just things with Legato, it's four years that have been good to Rin in a lot of ways but have also hurt her a lot. And ultimately I think she feels like she has relatively little to show for it. Maybe that sounds ungrateful since she managed to head projects like the outpost, but they're buildings, you know? Useful for people, but not exactly revolutionary. Rin is a really determined girl, but I don't think she's invulnerable to feeling burned out, depressed or frustrated, especially in canon when she manages to find footholds to do some really revolutionary things.

Maybe the latter frustration is my own flaw as a mun, failing to see things she could seize on to do. I don't know. I'm also sorry for this huge mass of tl;dr at you. I know it can feel like someone is being defensive of crit when they just talk and talk for ages back at you.

I do really appreciate your willingness to talk this out, so thank you for that.

The burn out or struggle seems to be a little common for characters who have been in Paradisa for so long, so you are certainly not alone in that and I can really understand how you are feeling. And yes, Rin is not entirely invulnerable, but I do feel she deserves a bit more credit than she may be given. She is allowed to be sad, definitely! But I feel she is definitely the type to pick herself up by her bootstraps and carry on.

That said, I do hope that you find a way to give her some positive motivation in the future. I don't know if dampening emotions is the right way to go, but I do hope that you are happy with whatever you decide.

Thinking about it more I probably won't go with the memory thing. I just may have painted myself into a corner I think. Getting over Legato or however I put it won't really be that tall an order on its own. My main problem is just not knowing what to take her into now, I guess. Rin does better with a project, something to focus on, and she doesn't have one at the moment, and she doesn't have one waving itself in her face, and I don't have one for her.

Anyway, I appreciate your talking this out with me as well.

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