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PARADISA MODS ([personal profile] paradisamods) wrote in [community profile] paradisaooc2011-12-22 08:01 pm
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Let's get down to business!

TO DEFEAT THE HUNS

Thank you all for your feedback on the latest How's The Game! The following is a summary of the changes/updates that we concluded from the discussion, as well as some other relevant matters that should be addressed.



The One-Month App Rule


This rule has been lifted. Players will no longer need to wait a month before applying for additional characters.

The rule had first come about when staff was still keeping track of activity trends in order to prevent serial appers or potential squatters. As this is now handled by cast mates and fellow players, this rule is no longer necessary. This applies to all players, old and new.


How's My Driving


HMD will now be quarterly (every three months), rather than every two months, alongside the How's The Game Discussions. HMD will take place on the first weekend of the month, and HTG will take place on the third weekend of the month.


Plots


Plots of darker nature will be re-introduced into the game. Paradisa previously had these plots on hold as the game felt burned out by so many in a row. It seems like the game is ready to bring them back.

Darker plots will be appropriately spaced with months in-between, and each will be required to have a viable opt-out for those who do not wish to participate.

That said, feel free to submit any plot ideas you may have no matter the nature. If there is something you wish to see, please submit it to the plot page!

Keep in mind that we can't implement a plot if we don't have ideas to start off with, and we'd be more than happy to help formulate any ideas if needed. With so many creative minds in our playerbase, there are so many ideas waiting to be brought to light. :)


World Plot


The World Plot will continue, with the primary focus being on exploration of the world. First Gens will take a backseat for now while the residents get a chance to see the world around them and what it has in store for them.

Remember, involvement in the World Plot is 100% optional! It's a great way to spice things up when slice-of-castle-life feels too limiting, but it's certainly not a requirement for getting involved in the game.


Prison and All That Good Stuff


We are currently looking for someone who would be willing to take on the task of keeping track of the current events and developments with the prison, inmates, heroes and villains, as well as any other major events related to these issues.

This would be an IC and OOC task, so if you are interested in this and have a character that would IC-ly also be interested, please let us know! We are looking for someone that would be able to devote time to keeping this information up to date, and would be willing to openly communicate with the playerbase and the mod team. APPLY ONLINE AT Send any of the mods (Valerie, Ashley or TF) a message if you feel you're up to the challenge!


Retrieving Former Memories


We've been approached recently with regards to the possibility of current Paradisa residents recalling memories from their previous stay(s) in the castle, much like the re-apped residents.

If you CURRENTLY have a character in the game that you previously dropped and brought back, you may have them recall memories/knowledge from their previous stays under the following guidelines:

1) All requests should be submitted via the returning character application. There will be a separate section specifically for characters that are already in the game.
2) There must be a feasible way for them to retrieve their memories, be it something that they do or something that happens to them. The more creative, the better! But they cannot simply wake up and recall their old memories.
3) An additional permanent loss will be required. This is the price Paradisa requires for giving back memories.
4) All requests will be subject to the same app cycle as returning characters.


Livejournal Woes aka What Should We Do With The Game


We'd like to open up discussion with regards to how the playerbase feels about the recent changes that have taken place with LJ.

Jenn has taken initiative and given a temporary fix for the issues regarding the lack of subject lines and the way comments are displayed. We are open to any alternative layouts that would allow for similar functionality and design.

Still, we know there are quite a few people that no longer feel comfortable with Livejournal as of late, and we want to acknowledge the concerns of those that feel this way.

One suggestion that has been brought up is the possibility of moving the game to Dreamwidth. This would require moving all content to the new site and recoding many pages, as well as making sure that every single player is aware of the change and has access to creating a DW account.

It is quite a bit of work, but it is not impossible. It is, however, a permanent decision that would affect every single player, so it is a decision we want to be absolutely certain is best for the game.

Discussion will be open for one full week. Please use this post to voice your concerns or any suggestions that you may have. Any and all feedback is welcome and highly encouraged.

A week from now, we will follow up with what has been discussed and see where we are. This will also allow time for Livejournal to potentially resolve their current issues, and/or allow for players to adjust to the changes.

To clear up any confusion, we will not be moving in a week. The week is to see how we are feeling as a game and to see if our concerns are still present or if we are adjusting to the changes. Discussion on the matter will continue even past the week mark, though possibly with a fresh post. :)
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PLACEHOLDER...

[personal profile] foolreversed 2011-12-23 04:07 am (UTC)(link)
Before we get into the nitty gritty discussion of lj vs dw I think we should gather up some links for the people that have not been on plurk to see them circling around.

Gimme one second.
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[personal profile] foolreversed 2011-12-23 04:11 am (UTC)(link)
"HEY WHO IS THIS IGRICK GUY AND WHY SHOULD I CARE" + other things regarding money and privacy, basically provides translations of things that have been said. Been replurked around today and talked about a bit yesterday, seemingly.

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[identity profile] dusk.livejournal.com 2011-12-23 04:15 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks for the update on the HTG stuff :)

Re: possibly moving the comm --

I believe it is a good idea to move to Dreamwidth. They are working on community imports, which means it should be possible to take everything on the comm already and bring it over there in the exact state it's in here with almost no effort on our part whatsoever.

As for making sure all players are able to get an account, even if they are unable to grab an account while account creation is open, there are a lot of players who have grabbed multiple usernames, which means multiple invite codes. Moderators of communities on DW, I believe, can get a mass invite code for those who are left behind? It would take some effort to make sure everyone was moved over, but it's certainly not impossible.

Selfishly, I'm voting for this move mostly because I am having a massive amount of trouble accessing the site and tagging under these conditions. Massive enough that if a lot of these new features are not turned off, I will probably have to drop some characters or even drop altogether due to the ridiculous amount of effort it will take to tag here. But if these changes are not rolled back/made optional (and I think it's a good idea to wait and see if they are -- if they aren't by the time the discussion is closed on this, I think it's pretty likely that they won't be), then I strongly believe the best option is to move to DW :)
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[personal profile] huntersdaughter 2011-12-23 04:20 am (UTC)(link)
I will move if the game decides to move, but I don't feel comfortable voting in this right now, because it's only been a few days since the changes happened. I want to give LJ the chance to make changes to their coding, to get actual feedback from users, and implement the changes before opting to jump ship.

Honestly, I'm already fine with the new commenting system. Yes, there are bugs and problems still, but I am hopeful that they will be fixing these issues.

I can understand wanting to make a choice while everyone is still hot on the button of why LJ is being difficult, but one week, when it's the Thursday before Christmas, seems a bit short-sighted and quick, IMO.
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[personal profile] dontpatr0nizeme 2011-12-23 04:28 am (UTC)(link)
Totally agreeing on the last bit. Especially as there's people that may be vanished for the holidays that might come back to a surprise like that where they couldn't even say their piece.

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[identity profile] tomatoandbasil.livejournal.com 2011-12-23 04:21 am (UTC)(link)
I'm all for moving to DW. If anyone wants to, now would be the time to make new journals. They're currently free/require no invite and they're thinking of giving us more free account icon space. They also have community backups in the works and you can import whole journals with profiles and icons over right now.

I've used it as a writing/fic dump and fic challenge journal a while now and it is amazing. It's much easier for me to organize and track stuff.

I've not used my personal account here in who knows how long; I pretty much just RP on LJ now, so if my games move, I go with. Simple as that. The links [livejournal.com profile] foolreversed is putting up should help you see some good differences and help you get started.

I honestly would strongly encourage this; to me, LJ has proven they care not about us. Beyond all the DDOS attacks and downtime and other dick moves, this one takes the cake as far as proving how much we don't mean to them. DW has an incredible team that listens and cares and accommodates wonderfully. I'll stay at Para regardless of where it's hosted, just I would think a swap to a stable, friendly service would make it all the better.

[identity profile] tomatoandbasil.livejournal.com 2011-12-23 04:29 am (UTC)(link)
Also, I'm sure these accounts will get invite codes on them eventually, so if anyone wants one or any of my unused journals (http://atma.dreamwidth.org/10865.html) please ask and I'll see what I can do! Any more I claim will be added the second I get them so check back if you'd like.
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[personal profile] foolreversed 2011-12-23 04:21 am (UTC)(link)
Okay now for my actual opinion, I am literally a-ok with whatever you guys end up doing here. The only thing keeping me with livejournal right now is this game and it's the only reason I'll ever give them money ever again (i love my userpics too much sob). I've already thrown down the money for premium account on dw so i could transfer everything (including all 210 of my icons) but if we don't move it's no big deal. I'd ultimately prefer we would if the changes don't get rolled back though.

...also i hope i didn't overstep any grounds or anything posting all dem links, I just felt they were important who people who aren't in the know to see dfjkhgjkfddf ; A;
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[personal profile] foolreversed 2011-12-23 04:23 am (UTC)(link)
also i will give all my invite codes to the mods to give to new users and such if they want to do that when they stop being free!! a little bank could be made :')

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On the possibility of moving to Dreamwidth

[personal profile] dontpatr0nizeme 2011-12-23 04:24 am (UTC)(link)
I'm a little leery for the moment, mainly because I've heard some complaints that the server over there is starting to see load issues. I've seen too many LJ type sites go under with little to no notice in the past, and that possibility concerns me.

Personally, I think we may want to wait a little so that the initial surge is done and see how the site handles things like the possible new surge of activity.

Also, I think the situation and reactions may be a little too fresh with emotions too high for this vote right now(As well as it being bad with the holidays.)
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[identity profile] fatedtobehated.livejournal.com 2011-12-23 04:36 am (UTC)(link)
I think it might be better if discussion about what to do was extended to a month.

At that point it'd be clear what LJ plans on doing, and it's enough time to get over the initial outrage and such and everyone will probably have seen this/voiced their opinion by then.

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[identity profile] fatedtobehated.livejournal.com 2011-12-23 04:29 am (UTC)(link)
I'm all for the idea of moving, if LJ decides not to put things back the way everyone wants them to. If they're not going to listen, users just don't have a reason to put up with their bullshit. Especially with the community import option as well.

Having said that I'm just here for Para, never even had a personal account, so if it stays I'll stay, if it doesn't I won't either.

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[identity profile] senri.livejournal.com 2011-12-23 04:33 am (UTC)(link)
I will follow the game if we move to dw! I speak from a privileged position, having made accounts their already, but I wouldn't mind us moving. Hopefully we could lend some support to a service that caters more to rp and fandom too.

[identity profile] save-the-souls.livejournal.com 2011-12-23 04:44 am (UTC)(link)
I think it would be a good idea for us to move. LiveJournal hasn't been treating their customers well at all and there's no sign that's going to improve.

I do think that if we do move, we should probably take a couple months to do the entire process. Just so people have enough warning that we're moving and we can make sure the comm is properly imported, we can get enough access codes, etc etc.

[identity profile] valuedstrength.livejournal.com 2011-12-23 04:50 am (UTC)(link)
To be honest I'm getting really sick of LJ at this point. I almost feel like they just come up with new ways to disappoint us at every turn. That being said I really think we should wait a month before really making a firm decision about this. Don't get me wrong. If we switched to dw smoothly? I'd be there in a heartbeat with you guys. I already have the backup journals made.

Right now I just think waiting to see what happens next would be the smart idea. That being said I know a lot of people have [Bad username or site: @ livejournal.com] issue so this might need to happen just so we don't have people dropping because they can't use the site.

[identity profile] lawfulwright.livejournal.com 2011-12-23 04:58 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, I know I'm just an outcast not a player with any seniority here, but I'm pitching in my two cents' worth anyway:

I only use LJ for Paradisa now, and everything else I do, I do on DW. I'm also really inflamed about the whole situation and outside of Para, I feel no ties to LJ any longer. So, I'd drop everything and move over there right now if that was the plan. Honestly, I'm finding it nearly impossible to even have the "oomph" to tag right now, since LJ is such a pain to load on anything--especially my phone, which is what I use to do a lot of my tagging as it is.

I don't know if this counts for anything, but Denise of DreamWidth is a friend of a friend of mine, and the mutual friend feels certain that Denise would be willing to provide as many invite codes as we needed to move this game over. Now, none of that is officially -from- Denise right now, but if need be I can get communications going on that. Just let me know.

And if not, I have like four or five DW accounts that have unused invite codes I can throw into the community pile. >>

[identity profile] exanimatus.livejournal.com 2011-12-23 04:58 am (UTC)(link)
I'll digest this more later, but my initial feeling is that we should move--if for no other reason than that LiveJournal has been having issues for months.

I see the merit in waiting to see if they fix anything, but I also think that... regardless of whether or not it was anyone's fault, the site itself has had problems that interfere with our RPing on and off for a long time, and given this track record, problems will probably continue to crop up in the future.

I would much rather move to a service that has a much better track record, has proven more dependable, and is actively trying to keep it's userbase happy than continue to humor a service that has been continually shaky.

It does really suck that it'd be so difficult to move things over, though. D': That's the part that makes me go "nnnrg".
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[personal profile] superheroine 2011-12-23 05:16 am (UTC)(link)
To quote Albert Einstein, insanity is "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." That's the quote that has been stuck in my head over this stuff, over the past few days.

We have no reason to believe LJ will ever pull up its socks. We have no reason to believe anything will ever change. We've stayed because the inconvenience of moving outweighed the inconvenience of staying. Hell, if we go, we have a leg up on other games in that we still use a Wikia, meaning all we'll have to do is change links.
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[personal profile] encryptedlock 2011-12-23 05:17 am (UTC)(link)
I'm willing to create new accounts and move if that's what the majority decide, but if we decide to stay I'm all right with that too. I only ask that we want for DW to finish comm importing and make sure that can be done successfully before any kind of decision is made.

[identity profile] jamesholmes.livejournal.com 2011-12-23 05:21 am (UTC)(link)
This really. I don't want us all to get our hopes up only for the import to fail/take only a handful of things on us. Otherwise I'm up for the move I snagged accounts just in case.

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[identity profile] mouthiness.livejournal.com 2011-12-23 05:17 am (UTC)(link)
Add in another vote for moving. DreamWidth just seems to have a much better record than LJ so far and I like a lot of their stuff more than LJs I mean, I can upload multiple icons! HOW AWESOME

I understand it's a lot of work and a big deal, but I think it would be better for everyone in the long run.

[identity profile] ectobabble.livejournal.com 2011-12-23 06:01 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I discovered the multiple icon thing last night and I think I heard choirs.

[identity profile] ambuscades.livejournal.com 2011-12-23 05:25 am (UTC)(link)
Regarding the possibility of a move, I'm not opposed to it because of pretty much the same reasons others in this post have mentioned.

Additionally, I have to mention that accessing LJ has been difficult on a mobile device after the latest update -- as in, my browsers can freeze up and crash in a matter of seconds. While I can't be certain if other players who use their phones/music players/tablets to tag or read things are experiencing similar issues, it is an inconvenience for me during times when I don't have the use of a computer and adds to the frustration.

Waiting for longer than a week to see what happens would be good, though.

/kayla

[identity profile] dressmakes.livejournal.com 2011-12-23 05:28 am (UTC)(link)
I'm having this problem too, actually. I tried to use my iPod and it crashed Safari every time I tried to expand a thread :( I have the LJ app as well, which works fine, but you can't pick icons when you comment so it's basically useless for RPing.

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[personal profile] biwinning 2011-12-23 05:40 am (UTC)(link)
I'm posting a list of somewhat useful links to any comm I'm in that is considering the DW transfer, if this LJ thing doesn't change.

Possible code to make your LJ look less ugly??
How to Import Journals.
How to turn DW blue, if the red is too annoying.
"Guide to RP-specific features on LJ vs DW"
List of LJ workarounds
Translation of hideous further site redesign
Why igrick is a dick
POSSIBLE NEW STYLE COMING IN A FEW WEEKS which could really be a few months
And since this one is important, i'll just do a quote

" We will be making an S2 commenting style that mimics the display of the original/previous S1 commenting pages. This new style will retain the ability to use/display comment subject lines. It will also not have the display issue that arises for long threads in the current S2 customized comment pages, where long threads are very 'squished' (a few words per line, etc) -- threads will display as they did in the previous commenting scheme. We are aiming to have this available within a few weeks."


The thing is, even then, I still don't trust LJ to get this right.


And I thought I had more, whoops oh well.
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[personal profile] superheroine 2011-12-23 06:05 am (UTC)(link)
Out of curiosity, what other games are seriously discussing transferring? Have any decided?

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[identity profile] willing-sheath.livejournal.com 2011-12-23 05:41 am (UTC)(link)
With this last round of BS I'm fully ready to pack my bags and go. I've already created my accounts on DW and with just a little tagging around in the last few days I'm happy with it. Whereas trying to deal with the new LJ system I... just go cross-eyed and close the browser.

Ultimately I'm on LJ for my RPs and my RPs only, and I'm at said RPs for the people. So ultimately if Para stays on LJ I'll stay, if Para moves to DW I'm already there XD

Reading all of the various things that have been floating around do not give me any real hope that things will get better, if anything I expect us to be momentary placated until LJ does something else to give use a swift kick in the proverbial nuts and then expect us to just 'get used to it' and become temporarily placated again.

LMAO, I did the math and since I started RPing through LJ I've paid upwards of $500 on my own journals and as gifts and after all of this shit I don't particularly want to give LJ one more red cent... so... yeah.

I think I'm all for moving, but to echo everyone, it would probably be best to wait a month or two to see how things settle, be sure that DW can handle the migrations and be 100% sure that's what's best for the com in regards to the work it will take to move everything. So... I guess prepare for it slowly and then go for it. 8|b
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[personal profile] foolreversed 2011-12-23 06:13 am (UTC)(link)
>if anything I expect us to be momentary placated until LJ does something else to give use a swift kick in the proverbial nuts and then expect us to just 'get used to it' and become temporarily placated again.

This this this. That's pretty much how it's always gone, in fact it's why those jerkwads keep saying things like "they'll get used to it". There's gotta be a time when enough is enough :/

[identity profile] jamesholmes.livejournal.com 2011-12-23 05:41 am (UTC)(link)
I'm not going to lie, when DW first opened up free accounts I jumped, snagged them early. Mostly because I've been eyeing it for a while, and also because of possible changes being made at LJ. So if we move, I'm ready to go.

Now I am in favor of a move, if LJ doesn't fix things. Being a part of a site that has changed services before (and being an admin at the time) I know it takes time. We moved basically for the same reason Para would to DW, so I can totally relate. If the comm. import feature at DW goes through I'm in favor of a move sooner rather than later as it would be far easier and a cleaner move. If it does not however, I'm in favor of waiting if at all possible to insure the move goes as smooth as possible over time.

I'm aware of the difficulties people are having on phones/iPods/tablets/other mobile devices as well as on computers (I have issues as well on a week old Windows 7 machine running Chrome) and I'm also aware of the personnel issues people are having from this. I would like to see a post about this up after the holidays so we could as a whole discuss it better. Not only because of people missing from the holidays but also those stressed from the freak out of people right now.

[identity profile] courageous-wit.livejournal.com 2011-12-23 05:51 am (UTC)(link)
First, I'm really excited ot hear that you're willing to let characters already in the game remember their previous time here. I've been wondering about it since Percy in particular was a drop I regretted and I re-apped him soon after. I really don't mind the extra loss... If I can think of one u__u;;

Second... I know that DW can import and that's why you're considering there, but has there been any thought to going to InsaneJournal? I have back-up journals on both servers so I can go either way but just as a thought: free journals on IJ give you 100 userpics while it would cost $35 to have the same number on DW. Which is again not a big deal but I would probably cut down to only one paid journal if we move to DW.

I will go wherever the comm decides to go but IJ just seems friendlier on my wallet, y'know?

[identity profile] tsunderefish.livejournal.com 2011-12-23 06:02 am (UTC)(link)
The thing about IJ is that some people are offended by it's "ableist" language. I.E., "Insane" journals, and communities are called "Asylums." On top of that, the layouts are pretty hideous, but honestly, that's all the reasons I know of.

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[identity profile] ectobabble.livejournal.com 2011-12-23 06:00 am (UTC)(link)
Honestly, I don't need to give detailed feedback on the HTG results: it's easy enough to say (and true) that they all look absolutely fantastic and there's not one I'm not excited about the prospect of. ESPECIALLY more World Exploring, OMG YAY.

However, RE: THE MOVE.

I agree with what a lot of people have said here: that yes, we should move, but we should wait until we can port the whole comm to Dreamwidth, just in case LJ borks and we don't have archives to refer to anymore. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who likes to go back and reread old plots and things and say "MAN that was AWESOME" and get ideas for things/remind myself how far we've all come.

I've got my accounts all duplicated - the 5 here currently, my OOC journal, and another character I might bring back next year if I can manage the five. ;) So, if it turns out that people do need invite codes, I have 7.

Either way .... I also agree that IJ would be the cheaper alternative for those of us with SEVERAL accounts that we pay for. Currently I shell out about $40 every few months ... but if there's a way I don't have to pay that? Banzai.

ETA: NM, just looked at the DW costs and they're comparable ... also I didn't quite consider some of the lovely points Yuff made, so. Yes. If we can have a nice gradual move once community imports are set, let's do it.
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[identity profile] detectivegenius.livejournal.com 2011-12-23 06:13 am (UTC)(link)
I am absolutely all for moving to DW too. This is the only game I would stick around for on LJ. My paid account runs out in January and I really do not want to give LJ any money ever again. Made all my journals over there so I'd be good to go if we did. I'm just sick of LJ now. I'm not optimistic at all that they're going to listen to us and change things back.

My vote is for DW over IJ because DW is more like former LJ while IJ seems to be more like Dark Ages LJ. I feel you can do a lot more with aesthetic things in DW. Whether this is true or not, I'm not 100 percent sure, but that's what I felt when playing at both DW and IJ.
Edited 2011-12-23 06:21 (UTC)
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[personal profile] hyuuga 2011-12-23 07:26 am (UTC)(link)
I've had an account on DW since the summer, when I finally snagged an invite code. And with the free account creation, I've been snagging up journals. Pretty much the only reason I've been on LJ for months is for Para and RP. While I hate the changes that have been happening, and the fact that it sometimes takes forever to load lj now (loldialup/lolmobile), I'll stick around if the game stays here. If it moves, I vote for DW (because as a former/very casual user of ij, it really does have similar problems to lj and it would be more of the same) and I'll be more than glad to move over with the game.


RE: HTG Changes

Can I just say how excited I am that darker plots are being brought back? I just can't wait.
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[identity profile] gwaine.livejournal.com 2011-12-23 01:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Vote for moving. Spread out over months to make surre it runs as smoothly as possible because I wouldn't want anyone left behind. I am having serious problems tagging or even loading threads right now and have been annoyed with LJ's service for months so :/. I'll follow Para so if it stays, I stay, but I am of the opinion that moving is our best bet.

[identity profile] modernholmes.livejournal.com 2011-12-23 02:02 pm (UTC)(link)
If LJ doesn't improve in the very near future and make a huge apology, my vote is for moving to DW.Right now the only reason I'm on LJ is because of the games I'm in. And I was already seriously thinking about not renewing any of my paids when they run out. Nt because of the changes. I haven't had any problems with tagging. But because of how they've been treating their paying customers.

Also, I just started testing out DW for tagging yesterday, and found myself really enjoying it.

[identity profile] goldencirclet.livejournal.com 2011-12-23 02:02 pm (UTC)(link)
If we move and people worry about their custom layouts here or do not like the ones available in DW, there's a layer option available where you can add the source code for FLEXIBLE SQUARES, which is the basic layout for 80% of custom layouts here at LJ.

See here - http://parapsychic.dreamwidth.org/740.html ♥

Other than that I have no opinion. I will move if the game moves, but I will mourn my paid accounts -___-

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